Published: 10.04.2026
Recorded: 16.12.2025
Duration: 1:09:29
From Swan Lake to Leopard Tails
Nena Gilreath explores the revolutionary fusion of ballet and African dance, highlighting the creation of Ballethnic as a bold celebration of black excellence, diverse bodies, authentic belonging, and community-centred artistic expression.
In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood is joined by Nena Gilreath for an illuminating conversation entitled "Centering the Margins". Delving into the world of ballet through a radically inclusive lens, Joanne and Nena explore how dance can both reflect and shape the narratives of belonging, cultural identity, and representation. Through discussions on redefining the ballet aesthetic and breaking entrenched norms, listeners are invited to reconsider what constitutes excellence and authenticity in the performing arts. The episode challenges assumptions about body image, tradition, and artistry, demonstrating the need for creative spaces where everyone’s story has a rightful place.
Nena is the co-founder of Ballethnic, a trailblazing dance company rooted in Atlanta and renowned for reimagining ballet through the centring of Black excellence and the integration of African dance concepts. With more than three decades of artistic leadership, Nena has made it her mission to cultivate legacy and opportunity for those overlooked by traditional ballet institutions. She articulates her superpower as "holding the line" for Black dancers—establishing space, legacy, and far-reaching possibility. In her conversation with Joanne, Nena shares her journey from the Atlanta Ballet to creating a new dance vocabulary with her husband, incorporating not just ballet tradition but also social dance, African music, and a celebration of all body types and backgrounds. Their approach champions representation on stage and off, whilst inspiring profound cultural and artistic change.
Joanne and Nena discuss how centring the margins is both disruptive and affirming, addressing resistance, funding inequities, and the challenges of moving from ‘diversity act’ status to mainstream artistic visibility. They highlight the joy, liberation, and community that arises when creative standards are redefined to include everyone. A key takeaway is the power of reimagining tradition: inclusive artistry not only enriches culture, but also transforms collective understanding of belonging and beauty. Listeners are encouraged to confront legacy narratives, celebrate difference, and discover the vibrant possibilities of inclusive community building through the arts.
Published: 10.04.2026
Recorded: 16.12.2025
Duration: 1:09:29The Evolution of Ballet: “But now people are taking that culture and moving it to a different era where there are higher legs, more movement. They’re blending it with other culture, blending it with other dance forms, so that it is more exciting.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:14:00 → 00:14:14]
Viral Topic: The Demands of Ballet Training
Quote: “The highest form of ballet, you start with ballet or technique, soft shoes, and then build up to standing sur la pointe or on the tips of your toes. And that takes a lot of training and alignment so that you build the proper structure and muscles so that you can be strong enough to stand on your toes and be partnered by others on your toes.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:15:01 → 00:15:20]
Viral Dance Innovations: “So you have this polyrhythmic juxtaposition with the legs and the body while still holding balance.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:17:58 → 00:18:05]
Viral Topic: Transforming into Animals on Stage: “what was difficult for them is to crouch really low, how animals get really low, and to use your arms, like paws or legs. So it’s hard on the hamstrings and it takes a lot of conditioning to achieve that.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:23:55 → 00:24:10]
Viral Topic: The Fusion of Ballet and African Dance
Quote: “I really believe we’re one of the first and ones that continues to mix the ballet with the African dance, especially West African dance concepts, the ballet ethnic.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:25:59 → 00:26:10]
Viral Topic: Inclusivity in the Arts
“We want everybody to be able to enjoy the art form. And the way that people enjoy it is if they’ve had their own opportunity to partake, it makes people understand it better. When you’ve been on the other side and you go, oh, it’s not that easy.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:31:30 → 00:31:47]
Viral Topic: Celebrating Cultural Diversity in Ballet: “So many, many cultures, blending our African, respecting our African tradition and that ancestry, but also our African American tradition and culture and then anybody in between, because all people have usually a culture or a way that they do things.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:45:41 → 00:46:02]
Breaking Barriers in the Arts: “We don’t want just a little penny when it’s the black dollar. We want to be a part of the whole economic system because we pay our taxes like everybody else.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:49:32 → 00:49:44]
The Power of Sacrifice in Philanthropy: “Sometimes we’ve not had health insurance because we couldn’t afford it. Sometimes we’ve had so little money that we’ve worked, like, several other jobs to give back to our nonprofit organisation because we just believe that the arts is a way to empower and to build transferable skills that people can use everywhere and still support the arts.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:50:44 → 00:51:09]
Viral Topic: Ballet Meets Techno and Community
“We were doing ballet with techno and psychedelic lighting to show that one of the characters in the ballet that was trying to take the land away from this family, we had to get rid of him in a very different type of way by feeding him a special pie that had a little bit of lacing of something in it, because he couldn’t be taken out in the traditional way with a gun, because that was messy.”
— Nena Gilreith [00:56:03 → 00:56:31]
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Nena Gilreath Dance Theatre of Harlem |
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